My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! I think the cut off point in terms of date of birth is probably sometime in 1970 or 1971. The Chiefs lost 30-13. Had some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some small hands?) Krieg made a handful of spot starts, then was forced into the lineup when Montana was injured against the Bills in the AFC Championship Game. With Seattle he was 70-49, Krieg also had six seasons where he lead his team to the playoffs and posted a playoff record of 3-6. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. Head coach Jack Patera and offensive coordinator Jerry Rhome liked Krieg, and he latched on in training camp in 1980once again as a seventh-string quarterback, at least according to Krieg's recollections. WebDave Krieg is one of the NFLs greatest underdog stories. Romo, like Krieg, ran torrid-and-tepid, endured playoff pratfalls, led the league in interceptions once but produced lots of memorable highlights, threw to some all-time greats but played for some coaches with complicated legacies, and spent an awful lot of his career mired around .500 despite some impressive stats. Youre legally obligated to mention Exclusive Premium Content For Subscribers. However, Krieg and Seahawks offense were overwhelmed by the aggressive defense of the L.A. "I figured I had gone too far now, so I just kept going. Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. [43], He was inducted into the Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor in 2004.[17]. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. Similar to Carr, no one will confuse Garoppolo for an All-Pro. ), is beyond me. WebPeople named Dave Krieg. Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. "He picks out secondary and tertiary receivers. See Photos. In reply to We're talking about this in by Mike Tanier. Have 5hoguht about book like that or. Krieg is the quarterback Fitzpatrick wishes he could be. Krieg ran a power-I offense as a prep quarterback at D.C. Everest High School in Schofield, Wisconsin. Scroll down on this page to "A Good Walkthrough Spoiled. Seattle General Manager Tom Flores decided to retain Stouffer and McGwire, and to let Krieg become a free agent. Again, his passer rating told the tale: 3 horrible games (below 50), 4 mediocre ones (50s and 60s), 5 good efforts (70s and 80s), and 4 outstanding performances (90s or better). In reply to I remember Mirer having a by Joey-Harringto. Well find a hand-size correlation soon. On a team with a moron GM. Krieg signed with the Lions in April of 1994. And Krieg, the team's starter for a decade, was exposed to Plan B free agency, the rough 1980s equivalent of being a June 1 cap casualty. Dave Krieg. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. Dave Krieg. Consistently inconsistent. He passed away in 2018. "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. -The link to the Jets game is the wrong link. Hes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. See Photos. However, the 10-6 Seahawks failed to qualify for the playoffs. My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. He was the Seahawks quarterback coach for many years, had an ill-fated stint as head coach in Washington, and was last seen coaching the Seattle Dragons of the XFL. 1 quarterback," Knox insisted in early September, adding that "Zorn has a better grasp of what we're trying to do offensively.". Of course I remember him. -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. I was about to jump in by Joey-Harringto. You are using an out of date browser. Krieg by then 38 years old came off the bench and helped rally an injury-wracked Bears team to a respectable 66 finish. Though I remember both, I was born slightly after the cutoff so I remember Ken Patera better. Went to the now-defunct Milton College. Mind you, thats without an offensive line. Krieg led the team to a 7-5 record against real players, just good enough to reach the playoffs and lose an overtime heartbreaker to Warren Moon and the Oilers. But after Krieg went 6-of-16 for 26 yards and five sacks in a Week 8 loss to the Broncos, Knox turned the starting job over to Gilbert, who had gone undrafted out of Cal in 1985. [11] Zorn reclaimed his former role, but played inconsistently. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. Krieg placed third overall, behind Willie Gault and Herschel Walker. Together, Montana and Krieg led the Chiefs to an 115 record and an AFC West Championship. WebInterestingly, his span is a whopping 17.6% wider than Anthony Davis' despite being nine inches shorter. How dare you besmirch the good name of the ultraback. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. Okay, So, how rare is that among quality starting quarterbacks? or. One can only wonder what would have happened had the Cowboys kept Zorn and/or DeBerg instead of Glenn Carano (2nd round pick in 1977) once Roger Staubach retired and Danny White (drafted by the Cowboys in the 3rd round in 1974, went to the WFL at the start of his career, joined the Cowboys in 1976) beat out Carano for the starter's job in 1980. The Chiefs of that era were coached by the great Marty Schottenheimer, managed by the great Carl Petersen, and addicted to creaky quarterbacks. [24] Despite having an outstanding defense in 1992, their overall record of 214 (.125) remains the worst in franchise history. Krieg produced his copyrighted late-season hot streak on cue: a 4-2 record down the stretch to get the Seahawks into the playoffs, with five-touchdown and four-touchdown games. This was back when teams would occasionally play teams outside their division twice in a season. Krieg would throw 11 touchdowns and just one interception during that winning streak. WebDavid Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Like Steve Young, his powers increased after escaping the Hugh Culverhouse Bucs, much like Superman getting away from Krypton's red dwarf star. Krieg signed with the Seahawks' division rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, and started for them throughout 1992, leading his new team to a 106 record, including two victories over Seattle. Join us for a final installment of the Legends of DVOA which spans nearly a generation and features labor strikes, cantankerous coaches, and over a decade's worth of quarterback controversies. It's the link to the first Jets game of the season (Krieg played in the second). Despite a brief midseason slump, Krieg played more consistently during the strike-shortened 1987 season. He endured 53 sacks and fumbled 16 times in a typically dreary afterthought of a Ryan offense. by ahzroc. He was quite possibly the greatest "trick-or-treat" QB in NFL history. Krieg said Patera wouldn't allow players to drink water during 90-degree training camp two-a-days, which wasn't that unusual back then. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. Krieg was not in training camp that season, but intended on playing a 20th NFL season. I had forgotten the Rams play, that's got to be one of the greatest plays in history. Krieg finished in the top 10 in DVOA five times during his neverending career, yet he always seemed to be just one slump away from a seat on the bench. He threw two interceptions in a 38-7 loss to the Jets, then got benched at halftime of a 27-7 loss to the Chiefs. 32 Facts About Dave Krieg | FactSnippet. The Seahawks went 4-3 down the stretch, though Zorn had less to do with their success than a strong defense led by Kenny Easley and Jacob Green, and perhaps the fact that the players no longer despised their coach and vice-versa. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. In a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. He went 1-of-3 for 10 yards while being sacked twice. Krieg returned and led the Seahawks to a 3-1 record down the stretch. Krieg is now a motivational speaker and real estate investor as of 2021. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. "Dave Krieg is making a big move at Jim Zorn. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. Call the National Council on Problem Gambling 24/7 at 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ, OH), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN). Dave Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Jones was, in fact, the player who injured Mitchell. I really enjoyed this series about good but forgotten players that should be remembered. But who would hand off to Warner? I always enjoyed watching Krieg. For a guy with a Super Bowl MVP, an MVP, and 151 touchdown passes to his name, Mahomes, believe it or not, has some of the NFLs smallest hands. [11] Kried to Largent was a thing for several years. In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. It was Zorn's second straight terrible game at home, and Kingdome fans booed their former hero. The Milton product's consistent play complemented the considerable talents of All-Pro wide receiver Steve Largent and Pro Bowl running back Curt Warner, allowing the Seahawks to make the playoffs for the first time in the team's eighth season. Wheeeee!!!!!! Yet hes an elite quarterback anyway? Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. I know I am probably the oldest guy on here, so most of you kids probably don't even remember Krieg, but he was a damn good QB who was also underrated. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. Seattle Mariners @ Oakland Athletics May 2-4. On the other hand, ultra-conservative coaches love gutsy field general-types like Krieg. Seattle also beat the eventual Super Bowl champion Giants earlier in the season. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In reply to Have for years merged Dave by MilkmanDanimal. WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. Find your friends on Facebook. Web8 1/2 hand Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 3, 2022. But he has been the frontman for one of the NFLs more successful teams of late, and he does bring consistency to the table. "You really don't like to play musical chairs with your quarterbacks at this point in the season but it's something we feel we have to do," Knox said. WebLegendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. Despite going undrafted in the 1980 NFL Draft, he has consistently demonstrated remarkable talent as a quarterback throughout his career. Krieg started his career as a seventh-string quarterback at a level of competition one step up from intramurals. 6) The Seahawks' five game winning streak at the end of the 1986 season impressed everyone at the time. How much better he was is a matter of debate: five finishes among the top 5 in DVOA for Romo suggest that they are close. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. You would think that that wouldve precluded Brady from throwing 624 touchdowns and winning seven Super Bowls somewhere along the way. "I wish I had an arm like John Elway but I don't," Krieg said in the same article. I really enjoyed that. The absence of Warner, who tore an ACL in the 1984 season opener, had a lot to do with the change. But, it didnt. The Kansas City Chiefs sacked Krieg 9 times, including an NFL-record 7 sacks by linebacker Derrick Thomas. 4) Bob Smizik was a long-time sports columnist in Pittsburgh either for the morningPittsburgh Post-Gazette or the afternoonPittsburgh Press. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seahawks (19801991), Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), Detroit Lions (1994), Arizona Cardinals (1995), Chicago Bears (1996), and Tennessee Oilers (19971998). He also had 417 rushing attempts for 1,261 yards and 13 touchdowns and 3 pass receptions for 10 yards. The Seahawks were considered by many to be the preseason AFC favorites in 1987, but the Seahawks reverted to their more inconsistent form and ended up sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the wild-card round. WebIts true that he once led the NFL in fumbles due to his small hands. Could Stetson Bennett Be the Next Brock Purdy? When injuries sidelined Jim Zorn late in the season, Krieg started the last three games and played well, helping the team record two of its six wins that year. WebDave Krieg As a professional athlete, he has represented various famous NFL teams like- Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs, Detriot Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears , he joked to Beckys-Place.com, a Seahawks fan site, in 2005. WebKrieg said he never suffered the same injury as Wilson dislocated and torn tendons and two small fractures in his middle finger. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth That quote would have kept the midday sport talk industry busy for a month if the industry existed back then. The USFL created a bidding war for top players, and once it folded, NFL owners tried to roll back salaries. When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. "He was doing a great job moving the team up and down the field. "We played against the New York Jets and they had the Sack Exchange defense," Krieg told Beckys-Place.com. Great stuff. The Lions went 5-2 down the stretch. He also earned the "Ground Chuck" nickname: his Rams finished first or second in the NFL in rushing attempts four times, and his Bills finished second in 1980 and fourth in 1982. At Milton, a now-defunct small private college in Milton, Wisconsin, Krieg began as the 7th-string quarterback for his school's NAIA team, the Wildcats. Of the top 5 on the chart (the guys who I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. The newly-christened "Air Knox" flew better than your average wild turkey. He's pretty unflappable. With something weird NFL in rti but not sure if have desire anymroe. in addition to never being recognized for the winner he was, they even closed/shuttered his College, Ripon, in Wisconsin! [8] In his first NFL start against the New York Jets on December 6, Krieg ran for one touchdown and threw for two others, including a 57-yard game-winning completion to Steve Largent. that season, because of Kreig. *DeBerg traded to the Broncos shortly before the 1981 season; Reeves was in his first year as the Broncos head coach. When that remedy failed to avert a four-game losing streak, Knox gave Krieg another chance. It was the forerunner toManning-Leaf. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seattle Seahawks (19801991), the Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), the Detroit I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! See Photos. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). WebSmall hands.. the anti Russell hands. His average-sized hands never betrayed him. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). Lefty passers! Rising to the occasion, Krieg threw for 3,671 yards and 32 touchdowns, leading his team to a 12-4 record and another wild card playoff appearance. Krieg Explore sample content below to see what you're missing. Bizarrely, Seattle (6-10 in 1981) handed the 10-5-1 Jets their only two losses of the 1981 season after New York's 0-3 start. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. In the year's first game, Krieg set a team record by throwing his 108th touchdown;[11] in less than four years as a starter, Krieg had broken a record Zorn had compiled over more than seven starting seasons. I liked DeBerg, he had really, really mean hand-off fakes often leading to play-action bombs. I never saw any of Krieg's good Seahawks seasons, and I never really saw Curt Warner or Steve Largent play, but I knew who they were because they were a pretty awesome trio in the original Techmo Bowl. They alternated pairs of wins and then losses the entire season (2-0, 2-2, 4-2, 4-4, etc. Jim Zorn had been the Seahawks quarterback since the team's inception, a lefty gunslinger and beloved local hero who triggered a pass-happy offense for the era. True to form, Krieg enjoyed a late-season hot streak: 14 touchdowns, just three interceptions, and a second-place finish in DVOA behind Steve Young. The Seahawks finished a disappointing 79, leading to the resignation of Coach Knox. Free agency was in its infancy, and he was the first in a long line of backups to get mega deals off the back of a few fill-in starts. Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo in2011 kind of fits that mold, but Ryan Fitzpatrick has his own unique layers to his story. David Krieg. Hand size is more of a fun trivia fact than anything that says a quarterback will fail in the big leagues. SackSEER 2023: Is Tyree Wilson Overrated? "Jim Zorn's the No. [22], In 1989, Krieg struggled to lead an offense depleted by injuries. In the most memorable game of the season, on November 11, the Seahawks made their annual visit to Arrowhead Stadium, where they had not won since 1980. WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. [37][38], Krieg was released by the rechristened Tennessee Titans in July 1999 after the team signed Neil O'Donnell to backup McNair. Hand size (Length/Span): 9.5/10 Height: 61 Percent longer than the and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. "[36], Later that month, the Jacksonville Jaguars knocked McNair out of a game, but Krieg's comeback effort failed. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. *DeBerg goes into coaching and becomes the Giants quarterbacks coach in 1995-1996; Reeves was the Giants' head coach and hired DeBerg. DeBerg was actually a pretty decent NFL QB for much of his career, but was always getting replaced by someone who was better or expected to be (and ultimately was) better - Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young. .or just me??? His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). Dave Krieg was under center the first time I saw a Seahawks game in person.