All of the profile points should be quantified and the exact numbers published in tables, ideally in comparison with relevant control samples. Much like Dave eventually had to include urban cases that he was initially avoiding, I believe the next spoke in the wheel (as Dave likes to call it) will have to be cases that share many of the Missing 411 profile points without the person actually going missing. Thats inductive research, its good science. The comparison actually needs to be made between the Missing 411 sample and whats normal for national park visitors in general, as well as it needs to be made between the Missing 411 sample and a control sample of non-Missing 411 missing people, ideally controlled by location (park vs. rural vs. urban). On the cases I investigated some teams were 15-20 people strong with only one trained team leader. Or at least not any more mysteriously than provably falling off a cliff, and thats the only case I could find. Without that, we simply dont know if any of it is significant. With Daniela Salmen, John Miles, Adam Palmer, Gail Star. When we go do that with my family, we go to a place we know, or with a guide who knows the local forest like their backyard. James McGrogan - Missing 411. And even in the absence of that, the Czech Republic is crisscrossed with a network of marked tourist trails, with marks dotting trees and rocks along almost all trails that exist in our forests. These people should not be considered reliable witnesses, but they should have some witness testimonies to offer. The other type of accounts shared by children indicates the existence of facilities. A high-level analysis of patterns behind these strange disappearances. Making an error on the part of Missing 411 perpetrators means that people wont go missing, that there will be evidence that will be interpreted as human crime (because what else would be a serious suspicion of the police in any scenario), or the person will see and report things that will make him or her sound mentally ill, and perhaps even diagnosed. Among these (for this case) are canine units are unable to track, a sudden weather event, disability or illness, time of disappearance, and near water. The unusual death following a plot of a movie, an unusual plot, moves this coincidence to about a bit odd to the sixth power. When Paulides subtitled one of his book A Sobering Coincidence, Im pretty sure that he was talking about correlations elements of the cases repeating in multiple cases. The most common report from adults, adult women specifically, is that of being stalked by weird or strange men. Watch on. Im not a physicist, chemist, or an engineer, so I cant begin to speculate about any special properties of water or granite, though electrical ones certainly dont seem to be off the table. In other words, youd expect these two things to correlate. Neurology-based research and technology would also help explain why the causes of death are so difficult to identify in many of these cases. Missing 411- The Devil's in the Detail, 2014 This doc also covers the 12 most common things that tie all these and other missing 411 cases . The potentially unusual elements connected to this profile point are the speed at which someone got lost after they got out of sight, which sometimes appears to be downwards of a minute, and the instances that seem to indicate that some luring or messing with ones mental or physical state took place. This video contains the following Missing Person Cases: Maria Hendrika, 38 Years, Missing July 1, 1959, Yosemite National Park. Worldbuilder, magister, change catalyst. It would make much more sense for this tech to be involved in the urban cases. In either of these scenarios, the result will look the same. As for any data points or theories that may shed some light on why the clothing tends to be missing, the only explanations provided by the survivors of something like a Missing 411 incident are either that they removed it themselves (without understanding why and later regretting it), or the story of one little girl that a dog/wolf man ate some articles of her clothing. And it is what profiling is, in a way youre looking for cases that include selected elements. Especially if it was research, like going places where Bigfoot might live, interviewing witnesses, collecting samples and sending them for laboratory analysis, and so on. Missing 411: The U.F.O. For this reason alone, this appears to be a strong profile point. Once you come across one, you know that following it will get you back to civilization within at most a day. Maybe a comparison of natural features of these places can yield interesting correlations. However, statistically speaking, the remaining cases of storms which didnt ultimately cause the search to fail or during which the missing person ended up doing impossible things will still only be interesting as profile points if they keep being too frequent in comparison to how often storms follow non-mysterious cases of people going missing, or if they at least are individually unexpected instances of bad weather. Profiling is in some ways similar to cherry-picking, but the science of it is more complicated. I do agree with Dave that it is safe to assume that places typically get named for a reason, especially if the name sounds ominous, like Devils, Demons, or Hells something or other. All 185 cases fit a narrowly defined profile that was refined after researching thousands of missing person reports; these cases are the most difficult, defy common sense, challenge conventional wisdom and remain . Thats definitely the weirdest scenario. At least not in any of the cases where the person was found. Like, you just wont believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly unlikely it is, but thats all that is unlikely, not impossible. Similarly, I would also like to see a chart of Missing 411 cases by date of disappearance, or ideally both date and time, so that theres more to compare again with normal disappearances, and in the case of dates, also with tourist and hunting seasons, like any numbers of how many tourists or hunters can be found in the forest at what time of year. What an apt name, by the way, SADS. Forests being bigger and unmarked could certainly be an issue, just like the number and type of local predators or overall crime rates in the area, and maybe thats something that should be statistically analyzed using data that I dont have at the moment (comparing forests where people go missing versus those where they dont go missing based on these criteria). With all the insults out of the way, lets look at the profile points. All 185 cases fit a narrowly defined profile that was refined after researching thousands of missing person reports; these cases are the most difficult, defy common sense, challenge conventional wisdom and remain . Or it could be a sign of a design artifact, like when many bad guys in our fictional worlds contain Mal in their name, or how many hero names can be abbreviated as JC. If you couple it with the fact that dogs fail (or refuse) to track the victims in most of these cases, theres some slight amusing possibility that I personally like to call dogspiracy. The. Somebody must have done their research and observed their daily routine for some time. Thats why it is so important to not ignore this data, but instead compile it and look for discrepancies between the normal distribution and Missing 411 distribution of times and dates of disappearances on a large enough sample that will therefore give it sufficient statistical significance and reliability. This profile point may be one of the more normal ones, as it makes a lot of sense that if you have a dog with you and the dog for whatever reason decides to run off into the forest, you chasing after it can rather easily lead to you getting lost. Dave also likes to cite one case in which the police officers noticed that the subject who lost his shoes had clean socks, after apparently traveling on his own for several miles through a muddy area. David Paulides presents the haunting true stories of hunters experiencing the unexplainable in the woods of North America. When you have such data, a lot of it, about a state of an object, and it doesnt make any sense how it got there from its last known state, what youve got is a proper anomaly. Given that some cases indicate third-party involvement (like the inside-out clothing, children unable to undress themselves, or clean socks while traveling miles), the latter option, however unlikely and disconcerting, must be considered. Coincidence is not the fact that something keeps repeating or happening in similar ways, it is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection. Something that could be invisible and undetectable without very specific instruments, but nevertheless entirely normal and real. Dennis disappeared while Martin kids were playing with the other Martin kids. How do you manipulate lividity of a corpse, like achieving none? However, after they get lost, I would expect more people with colorful clothing to be found, as it cuts both ways. Its also unusual for such high percentage of adults to remember what happened, but then not report it, to not even make anything up, which would be the only normal alternative explanation. For the first three-fourths or so of the documentary, we're under the impression that they seem to be easy targets for killers or maybe incredibly accident prone. gryff42. This should definitely include basic data like demographics of the missing and the dates and times of disappearances, in addition to locations, which were already visualized as the cluster map. Especially if the body wasnt even found by dedicated searchers, but by random hikers or passersby after the search was over. The reason why amnesia always seems contrived in TV shows and movies when used more than minimally is that it is rare in real life. And yes, I also rewatched Dirk Gentlys Holistic Detective Agency, obviously. This is a fairly strong profile point, given that there is no good explanation, conventional or otherwise, for why or how any of this should happen at all. I await suggestions. The proportion of the two should be inverse. If there is someone out there with some kind of tech doing this, the tech clearly should involve remote brain or full-body scan capability (to ascertain hidden health issues or intelligence), perception altering, and memory editing. From that point of view, this profile point should always be analyzed together with other variables. Without that, theres no point in speculating any further. Though there are Missing 411 cases where that didnt help, like when a person was seen chasing a dog into the forest, which only helps explain how people can get lost more often while walking a dog. It would be easier to do in a city setting, where there are at least roads all over the place, but in that case, I would expect someone at some point seeing some of the kidnappings. With all that said, it would be interesting to take all of the people with the German origin within the Missing 411 sample and check whether their ancestors come from all over Germany, or if they all come from a specific region or regions inside of Germany (or Austria or Switzerland). Naturally, without any explanation as to how he got there. Think of it as a cosmic-level tool to bring attention of specific types of people or individuals to specific things, while hiding the act itself. In any event, I believe that Dave is correctly focusing on the cases where the most inexplicable travel speeds or distances took place. Which brings me to some espionage-related implications. But I myself am very interested in what could be called the science of coincidence, so lets talk about what coincidences may mean for a bit. Oh and sorry about all this, if youve ever intended to go into a forest again. While the possibility of pure fear killing a person is medically speaking speculative at best, extreme fear can certainly cause a lethal heart attack in a person with a heart that is in a less than stellar condition. If we can already think of that, and undoubtedly would do it ourselves given the opportunity, its not crazy. Meanwhile, after Dennis went missing, the Key family, looking for bears some distance away, saw a dark man-type figure carrying something on its shoulder, a key piece of the puzzle. Like mentions of reports of bigfoot on one of the U.S. coasts attacking dogs (in one episode of the On the Trail of Bigfoot series), or a description of an area where there were almost exclusively bigfoot reports on one side of a road going through a forest, and almost exclusively dogman reports on the other (on The Venomous Fringe podcast). In this light, it would only be strange if the person who felt unwell then traveled huge distance, which would be incongruous, or if the person was later found alive and healthy, but with no memory of what happened. And sure, tests have to be named something and there is a limited number of letters in the alphabet. Like the case of Zigmund Adamski criminal activity was not ruled out, which rules it out as a Missing 411 case, but it was not ruled out precisely because there was evidence of foul play. The person could have fallen into some hard-to-access crevice or got buried. Or any or all of that. In contrast, hallucinations should be much more common. How do you keep getting bodies into water without it being seen, ever? If you want to get added as an author, contact me via my Twitter handle @Nartimar. While the logical statistical bias of unexplained cases of missing people should be to involve more cases of no obvious cause of death than what you should expect on average for all deaths (since otherwise the cases would likely be explained), the apparent failure rate of medical examiners in the Missing 411 cases still seems wildly excessive to me. Hunters have been disappearing from North American wildlands for hundreds of years, many without leaving a trace. There is some possibility, given the erratic and illogical behavior of some of the people who testified to what happened to them, that either a mental breakdown, or some sort of suggestion, hypnosis, or mind control technology are to blame. Clearly, a person drunk or out of it enough to fall into water and drown is not going to take care to avoid security cameras and potential witnesses at the point of entering the water. If there is evidence that something weird was going on with the dog, thats the part that should be focused on, in my opinion presence of inexplicable evidence is always more interesting than a correlation alone. And even if the issue was some natural phenomenon, state of mind or mentality can affect awareness and behavioral responses. David Paulides presents the haunting true stories of hunters experiencing the unexplainable in the woods of North America. Ask Sherlock Holmes. Well, apart from the stories of people who got lost suddenly in familiar territory, but only temporarily and with full memory of the event, which means that they didnt qualify as Missing 411 cases. In the case Elisa Lams death, around the time of her death, NIH was using a test called LAM-ELISA in the area to deal with a tuberculosis outbreak. Sure, it would be somewhat difficult to hide the act of construction, but again, even your standard government can pull that off. Granted, Elisa Lam is a rare name, so its a case of a rare name of a test that is the same as a human name, which was the same as a rare name of a person who died unusually, while the test was being used at the time and place where they died. But if theyre after exceptional (and therefore potentially valuable) targets, they cant hide that, or even necessarily be able to do without specific targets, however unlikely those target people are to get lost or succumb to the elements. Usually, the tragic stories are about mushroom poisoning. This is the fourth book in the blockbuster "Missing 411" series that describes unusual incidents of people that have disappeared in National Parks and forests of the world. This is a suspiciously good record. Or Spock. Taken all together, as I will try to explain shortly, no single normal or paranormal hypothesis explains all of the cases, meaning that either multiple are at play, or a one so crazy that no one, including Dave, has even been able to conceive of it yet. Missing 411: The Hunted is based on the book by Paulides, which documents 185 cases of missing peoples from four different countries. In any case, since many of the missing in cities were students, maybe they were targeted at school. This can be a standalone subset of cases. The question is why would there be high-tech kidnappers, possibly using also advanced camouflage or noise cancellation technology, snatching random people sneakily in the forests. But back to how the specific Missing 411 accounts of the people who were found indicate organized predation. When I say strange, what I mean is that, for starters, all of the usual suspects have been ruled out, like animal predation, human crime, voluntary disappearance, drowning, etc. Which sort of plays into the possibility that Dave often mentions of people dying essentially of fear, like when being kidnapped and burned by what may seem like aliens, even if it were human agents. People make errors. Connection: Directed by David Paulides. Furthermore, if I understand the abstract of the U.S. study correctly, 5% of autopsy reports in the U.S. list the cause of death as undetermined, even though the real number of undeterminable deaths is much lower than that. Which makes you think what could have happened to those who were not returned. NR. Not only that, the details of her death, especially how she was found dead in a water tank on the roof of a hotel, mirrored the plot of a Japanese horror movie called Dark Water from 2002, remade in 2005 (Elisa died in 2013). Best format would be an interactive table online, where all types of data could be filtered and sorted with immediate visualization. Former police detective David Paulides was initially brought on to investigate the circumstances around the many mysterious disappearances - here he presents the haunting true stories of hunters experiencing the unexplainable.Missing 411: The Hunted is based on the book by Paulides, which documents 185 cases of missing peoples from four . Support me on Patreon: http://patreon.com/nartimar. There are so many comparisons that need to be made, and for that you need numbers. Missing 411: The Hunters The Missing 411 series initially began as an exploration of strange disappearances in America's national parks. No sign of him or his belongings ever turned up, including a rifle and walkie-talkie, despite a large search of the area, Unusually the FBI was even involved in the investigation. With the emphasis on may. Given that the smallest useful sample is about 100 people, it would have to be for a whole U.S. state at least, or for all national parks in a country, since the largest cluster in the Yosemite is currently in the 50s, I believe. In at least some cases, a wrong search area could have been set up or the search effort could have been otherwise insufficient (or plain unlucky). Disappearing while forgetting your phone behind is definitely much less bizarre than disappearing while having your phone with you, and especially while using it to call for help, or while something is happening to you as you are on the phone. Beyond a mere lack of explanation, Paulides has put together a profile which includes a specific list of factors, most of which tend to be present in all of these cases. The clearest one is the account of being taken into a cave with robots and then asked to poop on a foil, but a similar conclusion can be drawn from less obvious accounts, like the one about there being continuous sunlight for several days. What should be done first is a comparison with the distribution of times at which people from a random non-Missing 411 sample disappear in the same areas. Missing 411- North America and Beyond, 2013. Again without anyone seeing the body get in. Missing 411: The Hunted. That obviously points to a kidnapping or assault attempt, though it doesnt clarify anything else. Missing 411-Western U.S.- 2011. Hes not putting forward his theories in the books, only data. If the person was seen, say, falling of a cliff, then that would be an explanation, just like it should be easier to find someone when youd seen where exactly they entered the forest, at what speed, and in what state of mind. Conversely, a person out to dispose of a corpse in water clearly would take that care. This is another strong profile point. There is at least one case in which the dog was proven to have been almost certainly fed (venison), which might indicate some perpetrator may have been more respectful of the life of the dog than that of the human target, as well as there are cases of dogs likely not having spent time in the area where they got lost, like the one dehydrated dog found in a swampland, or a number of cases of dogs being found in a surprisingly good condition. If you could use portals to get in and out of them, that would help a lot, but all the technology you need is a camouflaged door. It would be an annoyingly good crime, however, as it is very difficult to prove such crime for the above-mentioned reasons. These are all angles that can and should be investigated, since precise targeting, luring, and covert disappearing of people arent trivial tasks. The forests that are not protected have much less regulated traffic, much lower biodiversity, are much more likely to be randomly cut down or otherwise messed with, and likely lack continuity to ancient times. Then again, the alternatives dont exactly seem to be comforting, as they range up to Lovecraftian. If you think that this whole scenario is crazy, then you havent watched enough Star Trek. The AI then has to adapt, and will probably never be able to do so perfectly and permanently. Even if the perpetrators arent exactly advanced, protected primeval forests are the most logical place where to look for any surviving intelligent forest-dwelling creatures. On this count, I would very much like Dave to publish exact tables showing how significant (meaning frequent) each of the correlating factors is in the Missing 411 sample of cases, ideally in comparison to tables of what is normal for a representative sample of normal missing persons cases. If those exact statistics arent available, similar ones should exist to give us an estimate. Ignoring mind control for now (which is technically doable with advanced enough technology that we are already developing), someone who can remotely scan or edit brains can probably also stop someones heart with a more advanced version of taser. The available data that connects the water-related cases together (mainly the ones of students being found dead in water in some college cities) makes them somehow more inexplicable than the cases of people who got lost in a forest and were never found (cases in which all data is missing). Objects can spontaneously teleport, its just very, very, very unlikely. Interestingly, and horrifyingly, the screams and howls recorded in the case of Henry McCabe, who was found dead without any apparent cause, do resemble the noises made by people who are tazed. But its true that on the other, more paranoid hand, if the storms are somehow being caused (or foreseen and taken advantage of) to thwart searches, them succeeding in thwarting searches is not a disqualifying factor. There are also plenty of weird, and weirdly specific, clothing-related instructions in the fairy lore, like that in order to ward them off, you should turn your clothing inside out. You may have noticed that in all that speculation, I may have cracked the case at most in the sense of creating some structural microtears in it. And dont even get me started on synchronicity and how you absolutely would want to use systemic coincidences in order to manage a simulated (or similarly controlled) world. Maybe you did notice and track them more easily because they had colorful clothing, but then, once you got them, you removed it so that it would now be harder to notice and track you carrying them. Then it begins to be odd. If youre convinced that it cant be any of the exotic explanations, then what is any possible explanation? As a person from the Czech Republic, where picking mushrooms is a national pastime more so than in most other countries, this is puzzling to me. It doesnt matter if you interfere from outside of the Matrix, or if youre an emergent galactic civilization that constructs solar systems and sets up and directs evolutions over aeons. A home for weird ideas, future visions, and mad ramblings. Former police detective David Paulides was initially brought on to investigate the circumstances around the many mysterious disappearances - here he presents the haunting true stories of hunters experiencing . If the point was that you need to work with or study specific genetic markers, given that Germans are, ironically, one of the least genetically pure groups in the world. If anyone whos unable to travel many miles is found many miles away, especially if it is in a very short amount of time, its extremely suspicious. Like his idea of a probability-based engine many macroscopic physical laws are only aggregates of chaotic movements and interactions going on at the subatomic level. Ive been trying to find the best data that doesnt fit with the dominant paradigm of what is or isnt supposed to be physically possible. Its too bad that the history of these names isnt particularly well documented in the Americas, but using common sense, one would use such names for places where bad things happen, where people die or go missing, where they feel bad, or at least for remote, haunting areas. Maybe more younger and older people get missing more often in general, or specifically, maybe kids always get missing more often when theyre watched by relatives other than their parents. Does any of that mean that you should dismiss the evidence that hes bringing forward? However, this only calls for a more thorough screening process for the cases to control for these possibilities. Occams razor therefore says foul play. I especially recommend the most recent documentary, Missing 411: The Hunted, as I have never seen such great visualization of movement through an area, plus the cases selected for this documentary are some of the most bizarre and inexplicable there are. I guess I should look into places in the Czech Republic with our version of this, involving the word ert in the name. Regarding this profile point, I tend to agree with a number of people who say that Dave overestimates the weirdness of people leaving essential items behind, as you can easily do that when you dont think youll be gone long or when you just have a standard brain fart. Speaking of animals, theres of course the dog whistle or similar techniques that could certainly be used to make a dog run into a forest to make its master follow him, and a variety of more sophisticated technologies currently under development, mainly to be used as forms of crowd control. Not many things need to be the same for all or most unexplained cases, and they will be objective facts. For example, the cases in which the missing died of major head trauma, of what was described as a possible propeller strike, even through a helmet or when there was no height to fall from hard enough. While you could come across a person randomly in the forest, it is much harder to be able to single people out, avoid being killed by our weapons (or leaving the dead to be found by us), and cover ones tracks. Upon reading the Eastern book, it is really simplistic and pretty cut and dry. The concept of a holistic detective may be a fiction invented by Douglas Adams, but the interesting aspect of his science fiction ideas is that while crazy-sounding and hilarious, they are logically consistent and potentially realistic. At this point, I believe it is more about what direction I think should be taken in further analyzing the data. Clothing really is tricky. But I totally agree with Dave that the disappearing-while-on-the-phone stuff is weird. How can we prove otherwise? Which is an issue that we have already encountered with self-driving cars. Maybe if in all of the cases, the phone lost charge too quickly, it would be less strange, but thats only the case sometimes. But theres more. The stories about bigfoot tend to paint them as forest protectors, who would only hurt you if you seriously piss them off or attack and corner them, while dogmen seem to be out to hunt or scare us. Missing 411 cases are a colloquial classification that documents missing person cases that fit a number of criteria: The disappearance occurred in a national park, rural area, or large reserve of public land. Missing 411: The Hunted is based on the book by Paulides, which documents 185 cases of missing peoples from four different countries.