Your pilot will wait for you to contact him to start his mission. Site news (important news will be issued), Comments on your files, images and videos, New images and videos added to your files. Try to be OOS (OUT OF SYSTEM). Privacy Policy. Copyright 2023 Robin Scott. Set to mine everything on its list. 4. The captain will take care of the rest! This is a Auto Mining Guide for X4: Foundations. (More Testing needed but you might not need a mining laser for Automining). Some of the other miners for the other races have been reported to have problems with selecting them as AutoMiners (Still Testing Please Report if they Work). by Gregorovitch Wed, 12. Raptor900k Experimental Miners (universal - gas - mineral). They are affordable and easily obtainable at Warfs. by Nikola515 Thu, 13. The Terran Bolo is a medium (M) class ship that can mine minerals and has a variant that can collect gaseous resources. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. 3. [4.10 with all expansions] Good places for gas mining. (LogOut/ Press CTRL + D to BOOKMARK so you can check back for Updates! and our So far I think medium miner silicon is best 70k per trip. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=146&t=433686&p=5010773#p5010773, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2530480881. With double the current travel speed I was getting 4x as a Magnetar, but i scaled it down so it's only semi-ludicrously fast, still about 3x throughput of a Magnetar. Select which one you want this vessel to mine.. You can do up to three I belive. Mining drones don't seem to scale out-of-sector, 800 vs 20 is same mining speed (give the ship a bunch of defenders and repair for lolz-level safety). Nov 20, 00:35, Post The best I've seen so far for ore/silicon was something like 22/km, while doing a prospection mission for the Teladi in Grand Exchange III. Best would be to start with Gas as that doesn't attract khaak. Go to Middle of Behavior Tab and select Default behavior. by mr.WHO Tue, 27. What ship type should I buy? Nov 20, 13:17, Post This is a Auto Mining Guide for X4: Foundations. Aug 19, 16:29, Post The max cargo hold of the Sentinel Variant is exactly 1.2 times of the Vanguard Variant. (not sure if this is cause maybe you passed by something and updated it) but yeah satellites are key to fast service. 1 ship with speed 1 and cargo hold 2 V should be just as effective as 1 ship with speed 2 and cargo hold 1 V. (When former ship completes 1 round-trip, latter ship will have completed 2 round-trips, but both ships have delivered the same amount of stuff). May 20, 05:00, Post When travel speed increases, DR should increase. When buying your ship manually make sure you select captain. You will also find additional information from developers here. Read below for extra important stuff. Why save for a new miner when you could steal one? (I buy the license and don't bother with sats before I can buy those). Dec 18, 18:13, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The mass of the Sentinel Variant is roughly 1.2 times of the Vanguard Variant. He will go off and make you money passively. 3. In terms of pure stats, Teladi L miners have the chunkiest loadout. by Vectorial1024 Mon, 26. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). I've got 2 Silicon and 4 Ore miners in Argon Prime. Manage an empire or EXPLORE space in first person. It's only done automatically by giving the ship the order to mine gas. Ecells aren't truly good money ever. You can do whatever you want now. Seemed to work fine with expert automine. Or do they respawn? For our purposes, we are going to need a good old-fashioned miner. Sorry to necro this thread but I wonder whether: I would not take the information in this thread too seriously as it is mostly theoretical and now quite dated. It's not world hunger because we can't feed poor,it's because there will never be enough to feed the rich .. 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What one should take from it is that all faction traders and miners operate in the same order of magnitude as far as moving stuff goes. For the gate Distance thats pretty simple.. how many jumps do you want the AI to go to sell its Ores once its filled? So far the best medium miner is the Argon Drill.. (that's the name of the ship Drill) The Sunder Is a Gas (Liquid) miner. 7. This avoids pile ups of incoming drones competing with departing drones for landing pads. yes, did anybody know, thar Asteroids respawn? Aug 19, 16:39, Post ARG engines are usually the best since they have highest travel speed. Grand exchange is still a good place (at least for my game) Ore is definitely the one to mine for at the start and always use 2 star miners at the very beginning to increase mining speed. All rights reserved. 2. 5. Some of the other miners for the other races have been reported to have problems . Unlike the mineral variant you do not need a weapon . Crystal mining: Some asteroids have surface spots that can be individually mined away to release various types of crystals. Mining Ships are the back bone of the entire economy of the game almost all items are produce or require raw materials in there production chain either directly or indirectly so the are a very reliable source of money for players. I would like to also make a few stations, one made primarily for mining, one for solar power for energy cells, and one for large production and to be my home base, if I remember correctly one of the Terran systems is insanely good for solar panels, does anyone know which system it is? by Miravlix Thu, 13. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The Manorina (Gas) Vanguard is a medium gas mining ship built by the Hatikvah Free League and Teladi Company you only need a general ship licence for the respective faction to be able to purchase this ship. Below this you have two choices Gate Distance and Wares. Wed, 12. 13 Getting the trade subscription for a race/faction, while expensive, it provides trade info for all discovered stations, present and discovered in the future. However, one of the most important factors in choosing a mining ship is its size - M or L. The M and L miners have their unique features that make them . by Snafu_X3 Mon, 17. Automine will Automatically choose where to mine, and where to sell. A Split commander walks into a bar, gets drunk and decides to become a miner. If your vessel is attacked and survives they will help with repairs and I believe give a bonus for turrets. Aug 19, 00:24, Post Average storage for a miner mineral lets say, is 5k, lets say your large miner hold 20k, average cost for 4 M miners to meet that is 1.2mil, it's 3.5 mil ort something for a large miner. Rinse and repeat. 12 The Advanced Sat has a range of 75km whereas the regular Sat only has a range of 30km for gathering info. I have two gas miners and I told them to use automine and selected the gas I wanted it to focus on, I haven't had an issues what so ever, pre or post total trade offer visibility. by Nikola515 Thu, 13. Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Only change is in The Void with the radiation now dealing damage even when you are not present. Aug 19, 14:04, Post If you have turrets use those for Defense Guns. by mr.WHO Thu, 12. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. by teleportationwars Mon, 26. So far i have not seen any changes in yields in 4.1. Go To Map View (M Key), Then Property owned Tab, Select your Mining Vessel and Right Click, than Select Information. Nov 20, 15:48, Post Choose AutoMine. It will depend on where you set it tup, the skil lof teh crew and if you have prospected the area. Two Tabs show up. X4 Wiki: You can have medium and large mining turrets (didn't compare mining speeds). Good luck. (they dont have the built in software. Games. i don't have any hard numbers or evidence, but the Split ships seem to be doing pretty well, the miner variants top off the solid + liquid storage at a pretty damn decent speed. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Please post any spoilers for X4: Foundations here. If you dont have satellites he will eventually find something. You will also find additional information from developers here. by Steel Mon, 17. When it comes to X4: Foundations, finding the best mining ship can be a daunting task. Or that you have restricted the range of your miner such that it can't get to the buyer station within that gate limit. Nothing else needs to be done. There is no Mining Software to buy its included in the ship. There is an easier way then the automine behavior, if you've scouted the sector but don't have resource probes down. Speed is the key to survival for traders. Can have a bunch of defensive turrets and just couple mining (keep NPC safe). Try flying around a bit & dropping some more.. Too many silicon miners and you bring the price down. marked the ones where my miners go to (should have satelites and probes in all sectors). Originally posted by Xandriany: So far I think medium miner silicon is best 70k per trip. I'll stick to my mercury sentinels, only ever lost one that's because it went venturing into xenon territory for some reason. I think there are mining changes (like, per sector yield changes) in 4.10 so be wary looking for 4.0 specific advice. leinardi 2 yr. ago. Dec 18, 23:17, Post Teladi sentinel carriers make good traders. Do add the Docking Computer Mk2 though just in case you need to manually land it at some point. I know about Eighteen Billion but sadly I've oversupplied that sector and I'm having a hard time shipping goods out of it so the methane production stays high. The Hermes vanguard may not be the most efficient trader, but it is the fastest and thus least likely to die. Information and Behavior. Dec 18, 23:26, Post This forum is the ideal place for all discussion relating to X4. by Buill Mon, 17. by Hador Wed, 12. by Oraculo Sat, 15. Depending on rarity, crystals can be quite valuable when sold to Item Traders (see "Items versus Wares" section above). Silicon require a good captain and other factors to mine at a good rate in 4.0. Re: Gas mining basics. Which system is best for mining or has the densest asteroids? What are some good sectors for auto mining gas? All the software you need is bought and included in game. by burger1 Tue, 27. Also M's can use the highway, speeds things up, Large tend to mess around going behind the gates, txting their mom, filling in their tax returns etc.. You can always hack the station storage spilling out all their goodies and making sure the station needs a new supply (perhaps even allowing you to fill it with their old one.). :) I don't have the details unfortunately will go look for a link. These ships are meant for NPC mining out-of-sector (doesn't work right with manual mining). by PrivatePanic Wed, 11. Than go into your info tab (the one right next to behavior tab) and go check out your Miners Inventory.. But it will take forever. 9 M turrets, 6 of which can be used for guns, and 3 shields. X4: Foundations > General Discussions > Topic Details. but there are some stations who would buy in range. M miners have a mining loop delay which means that those which finish in full cycles (minimal wasted time) have a huge efficiency improvement. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. But at the beginning you can place maybe 30-40 auto miners that way, I would say 40% gas collectors. Do add the Docking Computer Mk2 though just in case you need to manually land it at some point. You have to buy a ship that is a mining vessel. . This includes miners, of course. You can buy good mining vessel Medium size at a Warf. . So they gather more ores in a single run. Dec 18, 11:53, Post They are affordable and easily obtainable at Warfs. Also feel free after reading Blog to check out our Affiliate Site: So my first auto miner set up in argon prime is working flawless. When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. 6. You need a captain on your ship to automine. Saving up to get a large Miner with crew and just wondering what is more profitable, Minerals or Gas? There is no manual gas mining. (I say roughly, because the game could only display mass up to the nearest ton; decimal values are discarded. Dec 18, 15:30, Post But do invest in all types of mineable wares to encourage economy growth. Select Max settings then immediately set to min settings (this gives you a better pilot - its a bug). 9. The elegant, powerful, and open-source mod manager, Download and manage all your collections within Vortex, Upgrade your account to unlock all media content, To enjoy the benefits of Nexus Mods, please log in or register a new account. Having Satellites around all local Stations will help speed this up. 10. Already made me 250000 in 4 runs. Dec 18, 22:26. also using resource probes helps, i believe it helps the miners locate the best nodes to mine. Aug 19, 09:36, Post Last edited by Wraith ; Jun 28, 2021 @ 2:12am. In X4 Foundations there is a type of ship called Miners. Dec 18, 16:08, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Moderator: Moderators for English X Forum, Post Basically making the whole process extremely long. Set it free. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Design a site like this with WordPress.com, X4 Foundations How To Build A StationGuide, X4 Foundations Custom Logo, Ship PicturesGuide. Much more efficient by far. . If your AutoMiners Get STUCK!! Humans are deuterostomes, which means that when they develop in the womb the first opening they develop is the anus. Aug 19, 22:56, Post Change). X4: Foundations features a number of mining opportunities. Morrowind May Modathon and Skywind Gameplay Preview. Remove all the consumables you dont need for a ship you wont fly except maybe a few sats to drop off now and again remotely. 2. There is no manual gas mining. Nividium, but once everyone has that, it's silicon. For more information, please see our Warfs sell Small Vessels and Medium Vessels. And your done. Ship Travel speed affected out-of-sector mining speed. Dec 18, 16:41, Post Regular transports wont do it. by ballti Mon, 26. Sorry I was wrong the changes were indeed in 4.0: for small scale mining it really doesnt matter what sector, so long as someone will buy whatever you're mining. by Karmaticdamage Tue, 27. Meaning they will give you more money when the Captain turns in his haul. (The bastards were asking for 19/km. Select the miner and right click the purple or blue region. Only reason come up within he only looks for one spot to sell his ores, if they only need 500 of them and he has 900, he will dump 400 and sell the 500, than go back to mining. ok will try that, still no methane! X4: Foundations Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. (/\)arped wrote: . I'm sorry I've got no answer to the question, because I'm looking for it also !! On start you get a random amount depletness, but the max amount is always the same. But the best way are stations. anarnam Dec 26, 2018 @ 5:48am. Moderator: Moderators for English X Forum, Post These ships vary in size and are usually slower moving ships primarily used to mine minerals or liquids from space. by Aquitaine Sun, 24. It's just that they don't require inputs. chevron_left. If you can get level 3 miners later on, you can place them almost everywhere, because they can switch between different resources and have a 2-3 jump range to look for resources and customers. Remove all the consumables you dont need for a ship you wont fly except maybe a few sats to drop off now and again remotely. by Imperial Good Sun, 24. You only need 1 Mining laser on your vessel. In X4 Foundations there is a type of ship called Miners. 1. When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. Nvidium yields are always very low, but you also don't really need it much aside from a few research projects. Faster your vessel the quicker it will go back and forth from Mining and Selling. 4. Gas mining in X4: Foundations is not very intuitive as it doesn't work like normal mining. 1.. Hey for guys manning for awhile are your miners running out of resources to mine? You need a big (L) ship to do it, it needs drones, and only the A. Large miners have the negative effect of being so large they might get stuck! But they are much more expensive! When size of cargo hold increases, DR should increase. All rights reserved. by sentenced-1989 Wed, 11. Hydrogen 30K per trip. Dec 18, 17:01, Post Keep in mind the farther he has to go, the longer it takes to make money! Cookie Notice I think you need to just fly in gas and it will automatically collect gas (that's what I heard anyway). This author has not provided any additional notes regarding file permissions, This author has not credited anyone else in this file, This mod is not opted-in to receive Donation Points. X4: FOUNDATIONS, the long awaited sequel in the long running X series brings our most sophisticated universe SIMULATION ever. Cost about 300-400k a ship. chevron_right. Go to Behavior tab. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. 5. Mercury is a great location for a dual use station where it sells energy, and shipping energy to one of your other stations with repeat orders. Do NOT follow your AI pilot and watch him work. (LogOut/ The Ore doesn't make a huge amount of money compared to Silicon, but they still pay for themselves eventually and feed the refined metals factories so my sector traders there can grab it. From what i know it also depends on the sector, how many nodes there are to mine and how far to travel so some are better than others. I flew for several minutes (in addition to an exploration fleet) expanding the sector to very large and could not locate the end of the patch. X4 Manual: by sentenced-1989 Fri, 13. Your pilot will sometimes wait with a full load for a few minutes. In this X4 Foundations tutorial we look at how to mine. 8. Had this happen, they just dont do anything anymore! I've noticed that not that many stations demand gas. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). No sat coverage auto-miners and traders can't see them I believe. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Could be you don't have satellite coverage of stations that buy gas. You don't even need to put mining turrets on a ship, it'll still mine just fine. If it has ores Dump them. Log in to view your list of favourite games. by CaptDom Tue, 4. Also, large miners are largly unprofitable. X4 Foundations Auto Mining AutoMine Guide. Mining Ships are the back bone of the entire economy of the game almost all items are produce or require raw materials in there production chain either directly or . Aug 19, 00:51, Post All rights reserved. He creates 3 prototype miners with cutting edge space-pokeball storage technology to fit 900k units in each ship. It's only done automatically by giving the ship the order to mine gas. X4: Foundations; X4: Foundations - Spoilers; X4: Foundations - Technical Support; X4: Foundations - Scripts and Modding; Construction Community; S Freighters: ARG Courier; S Miners: ARG Courier . 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Fly every ship, TRADE and FIGHT to BUILD your empire with modular station construction and THINK carefully when embarking on an epic journey. The AI while being rendered is garbage and he will crash into things and all kinds of strange things. Dec 18, 00:27, Post X4: Foundations. Just a simple question. Skyblade May 25, 2020 @ 3:41pm. Don't recall if so in 4.00 but in 4.10 the Nopileos' Fortune resource patch (aka smoke pipe patch) seems to stretch on for very long distances. by Gregorovitch Thu, 13. I guess this means the game determines that PAR engines are best. Nov 20, 02:45, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Yield has a huge influence on how long it takes a miner to fill up. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Aug 19, 09:16, Post ). When all done Select Confirm to make all the changes Stick. As with mineral fragments, the Container Magnet can speed up collection. Everything paranid is better. Large miners have the benefit of having larger cargo holds. Install hundreds of mods with the click of a button. Nov 20, 01:45, Post Im trying to find out what systems are great for mining and solar power, Im playing as a Terran cadet but its been over a year since Ive played the game so Im a little bit rusty. Before we continue, let's be clear: the game uses PAR Combat Engine Mk3 // PAR All-round Engine for calculating the max travel speed of ships. Mining Help. https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence/display/X4WIKI/X4+Wiki+Home. by j.harshaw Tue, 27. Aug 19, 02:21, Post i dont care if its ore,ice,silicon i just need to make some money with miners before i move on to trading, thank you. March 30, 2021. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Wares allows you to select which Ores your Captain will grab. Dec 18, 02:34, Post Dec 18, 04:52, Post The gas miner should mine 2x-3x more than a Magnetar (didn't test mineral miner) Speed helps in moving about the collection zone, but crucially, the Chthonios deploy drones from dedicated launch tubes. Took me a while to find it). Recently added 51 View all 2,177. . Warren1986 Jun 8, 2021 @ 3:12am. Nowhere to really sell helium. Cost about 300-400k a ship. X4: Foundations, Cradle of Humanity, add the Terrans into the game and with them a whole load of new ships. To see if there was something wrong with the system, I ordered one gas and one ore miner to "auto-mine." Through that command, both are getting helium and ore. . Its a perfectly viable option for people starting their mining empire with a little capital but can get more profit then the small size. Which to use should be based on personal preference or other characteristics instead of purely a theoretical haulage number for one type of movement. Thats why its called a Mining vessel! 80% or more of the time your trader will be in travel speed and so Arg Travel Mk3 makes a huge difference. i am mining and grand exchange on for ore and one for silicon but they having trouble finding ore takes a very long time to fill up the hull i will look at the other spots you mentioned thx. Mercury makes more sense early for helium mining. All rights reserved. He is looking for somewhere to sell his Ores. 6. 11. What to do? Its not legend, crew has impact, though the Captain skill has much more (cant recall exact what the balance is). PAR are usually the worst since they are combat orientated so have fantastic boost at the cost of worst travel speed. ok imeant for 4.10 then, they really nerfed mining to hell it is not fun anymore to do. by Tempest Wed, 11. Once its dumped you are now clear to Restart AutoMine just like you did before. From what we can tell once your miner fills his hull, he searches for a place to sell your goods. Valve Corporation. finally rather the bad coding of mining!! 2. https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence/display/X4WIKI/X4%3A+Foundations+Manual The small size variants are usually not considered for mining when players usually get decent capitals due to their smaller cargo capacity and weaker mining drills. close. Ice 40K per trip. Nividiim is 220k per trip. X4: Foundations - Scripts and Modding, X: Farnham's Legacy - Scripts and Modding, X: Terran Conflict / Albion Prelude / Farnham's Legacy - Technical Support, X: Terran Conflict / Albion Prelude - Scripts and Modding, X: Reunion, X: The Threat, X-T and X-BTF - Technical Support, X4: Foundations - Technische Untersttzung, X4: Foundations - Scripts und Modding, X: Farnham's Legacy - Scripts und Modding, X: Terran Conflict / Albion Prelude / Farnham's Legacy - Technische Untersttzung, X: Terran Conflict / Albion Prelude - Scripts und Modding, X: Reunion, X: Die Bedrohung, X-T und X-BTF - Technische Untersttzung, X: Die Bedrohung - Scripts und Modding, Script et Modding pour X4: Foundations, Script e Modding per la Trilogia di X, Supporto Tecnico per la Trilogia di X, Multiverse Team Seasons - Public Beta, X4: Foundations - Public Beta Feedback. So far the best medium miner is the Argon Drill.. (thats the name of the ship Drill) The Sunder Is a Gas (Liquid) miner. videogame_asset My games. 6. May 20, 04:35, Post X4 Foundations mod: . You cant really mess it up, the game wont let you purchase the ship without the software requirements. Why? We need to restart Automine and dont want to confuse it. Buy a miner at the Argon Wharf. > You don't even need to put mining turrets on a ship, it'll still mine just fine. Anyone can tell me where are good sectors to mine with close refineries nearby with the 4.0 update? 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